From: astudent@top.university.org (A. Student) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: La Scientologie est-elle une secte raciste ? Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 03:19:58 GMT Message-ID: <33eb8758.2234575@netnews.worldnet.att.net> On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:55:12 +0200, Mickael Tussier wrote: >Merci pour ta proposition. ;-) You're welcome. Here it is as you requested. > I have an idea exactly to present. I reproduce the page "Scientology is it a racist sect?" This page is located at . ---------------------------------------- On April 29, 1992, the television chain, France 3, distributed a broadcast entitled "The empire of sects." The broadcast began with a report dedicated to a discovery of the universe, and unknown to Scientology, there was a hidden camera located in a sack belonging to one of the volunteers. The debate was opened by the organizer Jean-Marie Cavada in the company of guests which included Daničle Gounord, spokeswoman for Scientology in France. Here is how Daničle Gounord tried to justify herself about an excerpt found in one of confessionals of the sect (an SEC check): Have you ever had made love with a person of a bad race? TRANSCRIPT OF THE INTERVIEW - Jean-Marie Cavada: What is your opinion, Mrs., on a passage which attracted my attention in this report - and is verified in your own texts - questionnaires, where a person is asked if they made love with someone of a bad race, or someone of the wrong sex? What is your personal commentary on this? - Daničle Gounord: As with most religions, we have a confessional and this quote is evidently out context, because this confession is not not usable in the European countries. This was made thirty years ago by Ron Hubbard in South Africa, because in that country they were having ethnic problems as you know... - Intervening of Pierre Junqua, ex-scientologue,: But, I received this confession in Europe, in Copenhagen. - Daničle Gounord: This is not a very serious matter, because if the questionnaire currently exists in that shape, and if it is not adapted for the country in which one lives, then there is no reaction to it and it does not matter! What is important in any confessional, is that the person is relieved, and I can say that it relieves people of the weight of their sins if one can say that. This is not something of this civilization. - Jean-Marie Cavada: Yes but, Mrs., you did not answer my question and I'm going to get back to that. I am sure that it is merely a momentary misunderstanding on your part. - Daničle Gounord: Not at all! - Jean-Marie Cavada: Bad race, is that what it says in your mind? - Daničle Gounord: Well, put it carefully into the proper context of... - Jean-Marie Cavada: Are there good and bad races? And doesn't the idea of using the expression "bad race" shock you at all? - Daničle Gounord: Not at all in this context. Let's put things in proper context if you want to understand it well. - Jean-Marie Cavada: Ok. - Daničle Gounord: In South Africa, we're talking about thirty years ago... - Jean-Marie Cavada: What races do you consider are bad in South Africa? - Daničle Gounord: Listen carefully, there aren't any bad races. According to the to the ethnic code and moral codes of the country, it is obvious that... - Jean-Marie Cavada: What is, Mrs., the ethnic code? - Daničle Gounord: The ethnic, it is euh..., one can say that the ethnicity of the South African is not the same thing as the ethnicity of the French. And moral codes are different in one country versus another. It is should be very obvious that the ethnicity of the South African, the moral codes - of thirty years ago - didn't accept the idea that one could get married or have relations with someone of another race. It was certainly the case, I was not there to see it. - Jean-Marie Cavada: Of course. - Daničle Gounord: In all cases, if it [that statement] was made tricky it is that it corresponded to codes of the country. - Jean-Marie Cavada: Good. Indeed the explanation is quite interesting, except that I don't understand why this literature should show up now, in France? - Daničle Gounord: Listen carefully, if Scientology... - Jean-Marie Cavada: Since even right now, for example, France has laws that forbid all forms of racial discrimination. I am sure that it is a misunderstanding that escaped there. No? - Daničle Gounord: This is not at all a misunderstanding. Scientology is international, it is a movement that represents all countries of the world... - Jean-Marie Cavada: But international or not, Mrs., when one is in one country, one necessarily conforms themselves to its laws. I would like to know your feelings as to how a mother of a family would react to something like this. - Daničle Gounord: I am indeed a mother of a family. I would not be at all shocked if I received this questionnaire or if one asked me this question, because it just doesn't pertain to me. And then? No matter! At that moment, the confession adjusts if you have a charge on the topic, if you are disturbed by the question. But if the question doesn't disturb you -- well, no matter! - Jean-Marie Cavada: Hum Hum? D'Accord. (air dubitatif). ---------------------------------------- Best regards, Mickael Tussier -- The dark face of the Scientology http://www.mygale.org/01/tussier/darkside.htm > A. Student